Stay away from that cabin or hatchet face will get you. Those were the words that a young Adam Green heard during his stay at Camp Avoda in Middleboro, Massachusetts. While Green’s stay at “Camp Work” wasn’t the experience he was hoping for, a seed had been planted in his mind that would push him toward his destiny of becoming a creative force in the entertainment industry. It is hard to believe that Green’s 2006 film ‘Hatchet’, a bloody ode to old school American horror, had such innocent beginnings.Building off the success of the critically acclaimed ‘Hatchet’, Green quickly transformed himself from a relatively unknown horror director to an award winning filmmaker and producer at his company ArieScope Pictures. His upcoming films ‘Frozen’ and the recently announced ‘Hatchet 2’ are highly anticipated and will be a breath of fresh air in a genre that is bloated with big budget remakes and unoriginal ideas. It is clear to see that Adam Green shows no signs of slowing down anytime soon and trust us, that is a good thing. The horror genre is a better place with Green’s uncanny ability to tell a story and expertise behind the camera. Steve Johnson of Icon vs. Icon sat down with Adam to discuss his past, his experiences while on the set of ‘Hatchet’, what it was like to produce Paul Solet’s critically acclaimed ‘Grace’, the state of modern horror, the fact that he really is a softy and not some raging psychopath, and his upcoming films ‘Frozen’ and ‘Hatchet 2’.
I grew up in a town called Holliston, Massachusetts. It’s a little town about forty five minutes outside of Boston. We had farms there and cows and chickens. Not my family, but it was a very small town.
When did you realize you wanted to pursue a career in the entertainment industry?
It all sort of happened when I was eight years old. Every event that made me want to do this happened sort of that summer. A big thing was seeing ‘E.T.’ for the first time and realizing that a movie was controlling my emotions and I couldn’t. And somehow understanding that somebody wrote this and that alien isn’t real, it’s a rubber doll, yet I’m crying like an infant right now. That was the movie that really made me want to pursue film making and understand it more. It was also the same summer that my parents sent me to this terrible summer camp called Camp Avoda. I found out years later that Avoda means work. So technically my parents sent me to fucking Camp Work. [laughs] Other kids, they go to camps and they make out with girls and they play sports. I was cleaning toilets and scrubbing floors. [laughs] While I was there the counselors had told me to stay away from this one cabin or else ‘hatchet face’ would get me. That was where ‘Hatchet’ all came from. So I think when I was eight it all just sort of clicked.
Did you have any influences, be it other directors or otherwise?
Well growing up I think Steven Spielberg was a huge influence. Chris Columbus, as a writer at the time. I think ‘The Goonies’ and ‘Gremlins’ were probably two of my favorite movies ever when I was growing up. John Landis has always been an inspiration, just in the fact that if you look at his career in the eighties when I was growing up he had the top grossing comedy, one of the top grossing horrors. He was just doing everything. Ultimately that’s what I would like to do. A lot of my inspiration has also come from music. Bands like Twisted Sister and Metallica and the messages that they had and the things that those guys stood for. Especially Twisted Sister above all else because their whole message was to sort of fight authority. So for every teacher and every person in my life who was telling me, “No, it’s probably not going to happen. Your dad’s a gym teacher, you don’t have connections in Hollywood.” I’d look at those guys and see that anything is actually possible.
You are a director, writer, editor, and producer. Is there one aspect of film making that you prefer over the others?
It’s really hard. I think writing is probably the aspect that you have the most control over. It’s the most personal, but it’s also one of the hardest. Directing is where I’m usually happiest. I like being on set, I like the crews that I work with. I usually work with the same people on everything. That’s probably the one that I like the most, but it’s a lot of pressure. Especially the budgets that I’ve had for most of my films. It’s an uphill battle all the way. I can’t even imagine being handed one hundred million dollars to make a movie with. What’s your excuse then for why your movie isn’t good? [laughs] For myself, you go to the table with all of this vision and all of these things you want to do, then unfortunately the budget dictates that you can’t really do that.
What is your typical screenwriting process like?
Remaking classic movies is the current rage in Hollywood. As a writer and director what are your feelings on this latest trend?
I blame the fans one hundred percent. I know they always get bitchy when they hear me say that, but Hollywood makes movies that people will pay to see. The fans have put us in a position where the only movies that they support are remakes. As much as they like to get on message boards online and go on their tirades and say, “This one is raping a franchise, and this one is destroying my childhood and blah…blah…blah…” They’re the first ones in line to see it. If you look at the box office numbers for the remake of ‘Friday the 13th’ and ‘Halloween’ and all of those remakes, they’re huge. Then you look at movies like ‘Behind the Mask’, where was everybody? ‘Drag Me To Hell’, which was Sam Raimi, our savior came back to us and made us a horror movie. Where the fuck were the fans? They were nowhere. That’s the problem. Hollywood would make Holocaust comedies if people would pay to see them. They don’t care what the product is, they just need to defend their jobs. The remake thing is like the perfect storm. To their bosses they can say, “It’s a pre-existing title that everybody already recognizes. This is how much money the first one made. We’re going to get this director who made this music video, or this thing, or that. We’re going to put this WB TV star in it. He we go, now we have our package.” The movie sucks and they know it, but the fans are the first ones in line and they’ll go see it twice and then they’ll buy the DVD. That’s why we are in this position. So for everybody who is sick of it, just stop going and it will stop! They don’t listen! They keep complaining about the lack of original horror, yet they don’t support original horror when it’s right in front of them.
Have you always been a fan of horror films and do you have a favorite?
Yeah. Again, since I was eight. I had an older brother who had shown me ‘Friday the 13th Part 2’. I think that was the very first horror film I ever saw. I love all of them. There are so many. ‘The Exorcist’ is probably one of the only ones that still really scares me. ‘American Werewolf in London’ was probably always my favorite because it was just massively entertaining. That’s the type of horror I like. I’m not really into the stuff that punishes the audience, the stuff that the only thing it has going for it is how disturbing it is. I have enough problems in my own life, I don’t need to sit through that. I like to be entertained. Stuff like ‘American Werewolf’, ‘Evil Dead’, ‘Slither’, that stuff I just think is great.
You had a six year downtime between ‘Coffee & Donuts’ and ‘Hatchet’. Why such a long hiatus and because of that hiatus, did you face any challenges while writing the script for ‘Hatchet’?
I was just watching the behind the scenes stuff and it seemed like you had it planned out to a tee.
Yeah, I wrote ‘Hatchet’ in 2004. When I showed it to my agents they liked it and they said, “You sort of either have to take the gore out of this or you have to take the jokes out of it, but you can’t do both.” I said, “Why? This is the type of stuff I grew up on. This was like the old way of doing it when horror was still fun.” They sent it out and the first rejection letter we got from a major studio said, “The writing is brilliant, however this movie will not get made because it’s not a remake, it’s not a sequel, and it’s not based on a Japanese one.” You might remember when we did festivals, that was the slogan on the poster, the rejection letter. I had it for like two years, sitting there and wondering, “What I am going to do with this thing.” Then Sarah Elbert, one of the producers, had just done the ‘Friday the 13th’ box set. She was like, “Let me show this to John Buechler and he might be able to help you.” With John’s help we made a mock trailer for ‘Hatchet’ that made it seem like the movie had already been made. There was a lot of time to really prepare to make that movie. We had no money to make it with and really even less time than we had money. We just did everything wrong. We shot it at the wrong time of year. It was all night for night outdoors. Because we shot in the summer, the sun would go down at nine and then it would come up at quarter of five. We were shooting so far away from where catering was that it would take an hour and a half to get the whole crew through lunch. So we were shooting like six hour nights. So on a twenty two day shoot, that’s like a twelve or fourteen day shoot when you have fire, make up effects, under water shots, alligators, and kids. It was ridiculous. Hopefully this time out, with ‘Hatchet 2’, we do better with the timing of things. [laughs]
You worked with several genre vets on the film. (Robert Englund, Kane Hodder, and Tony Todd) What was it like working with those guys?
It was just amazing. As a fan it was obviously cool. By the time you get to the set you are already friends with them and a little bit of the fanboyism goes away. I remember the first night that Robert Englund was on set and Kane came out of his trailer in the Victor Crowley makeup. I’m watching the two of them sit there and talk about the Victor Crowley character. Robert’s telling Kane, “This could be the next big thing. Look at this. The makeup is so great.” I’m standing in between Freddy and Jason with the biggest erection I think I’ve ever had, just thinking, “I can’t believe this is happening right now!” Tony Todd, if you look at his resume, the guy never stops working. It’s because he’s such a pleasure to work with and he’s just so damn good at everything he does. He was on set for a few hours for his little cameo in the first one. He walked onto that set and he introduced himself to everybody who was there. Every P.A., every grip, whoever was nearby, he introduced himself. He did his stuff and if I recall, he actually bowed when he was done. He said, “Thank you. Good Evening.” and he left. Everybody was just like, “Oh my God! This guy’s amazing!” So in the sequel for Hatchet, he’s the main character. That’s one of the things I’m most looking forward to, what I’m going to learn from him as an actor. He’s a very smart and very talented man.
Did you ever expect ‘Hatchet’ to have the success that it did?
You recently went into pre-production for ‘Hatchet 2’. What can fans of the original film expect from the sequel and will it be as bloody as the first film?
It’s going to be twice as bloody as the first one. All us sort of feel like we have a chip on our shoulder about what happened with the M.P.A.A. the first time. So I don’t know what’s going to happen in terms of the theatrical release for it. We might have to alter the movie again. What I am asking Anchor Bay to do is to not do a full theatrical release for the film and instead do midnight screenings in cities that have theaters that are willing to play the unrated version of it. Remember, it’s not overtly sexual. There’s nothing offensive in the movie, but because it’s an independent the M.P.A.A. has such a huge problem with it. Going back to what I was saying before, why is it ok to have torture films and movies with all kinds of sex and drug use? The day that I lost my trial with the M.P.A.A. was the day that ‘Hostel 2’ opened. I went to see ‘Hostel 2’. There’s that whole thing with Heather being hung upside down and ritualistically bled while there’s a naked woman masturbating in her blood. The dude’s dick gets cut off and fed to a dog, but my swamp monster with a gas powered belt sander was too offensive for theaters? Are you serious? It was a joke. So fans can expect double to body count, double the amount of gore, a much better looking Victor Crowley, and a big surprise that we’re going to be announcing hopefully the end of this week, if not the beginning of next week for who is going to be replacing Tamara Feldman in the role of Marybeth.
How far along are you on the film right now?
We are about thirty three days away from shooting. The sets are going to start being built next week. The movie is fully cast and we’re just waiting for some paperwork to close so we can start telling everybody who’s in it.
When can we expect to see it released?
It’s going to move really fast. I think in our contract we’re required to deliver it in like June or something. I know the plan is to have it out for Halloween season. If I could have my way, the world premiere would be at Fright Fest in London. That’s my favorite of the horror genre film festivals. That would be at the end of August. If they do what I’m ask them to of the midnight screenings, theatrical would be September or October, with the DVD just a couple weeks behind it.
You produced the controversial, but critically acclaimed ‘Grace’. What attracted you to the film?
What was it like for you watching Paul Solet work behind the lens?
Are you happy with it’s success in the festival circuit and now on DVD/Blu-Ray?
Yeah! It’s selling great, which is wonderful. On the festival circuit, the fact that we had a combined total of four faintings was awesome. That was almost like a comeuppance for me. Whenever I’ve heard that from other films…When they’re like, “There was a screening and somebody fainted!” I always call bullshit on that. I’m like, “Who the fuck faints at a movie?” At Sundance two dudes dropped! We didn’t see it happen. We saw them walk out. One guy got up and left early on. We were already really frazzled at Sundance because we were like, “This is a really sick, disturbing movie and everyone’s laughing!” I’m in a fetal position. I’m like, “Why are they laughing?” I didn’t realize until the movie was over that they were laughing because they were so uncomfortable and they needed to laugh. Then when the movie was over and we were doing to Q&A, the guy from the Egyptian Theater, whoever owns it, comes running in and he’s like, “I just want you to know that two different men fainted and the ambulance came twice.” We didn’t even know what to say. It was amazing. In L.A. at USC we did a screening and a guy passed out in a bathroom and broke his finger. In Spain a woman passed out. I think it’s just the baby thing. It just does that to people. For myself as a producer and for myself as the guy who started ArieScope Pictures, that’s the type of thing that we want to do. I’m just damn proud of it. I hope other people are seeing that there is an audience for this type of stuff and that they’ll take chances on original movies too. I think ‘Grace’ is one of the most original scripts that I’ve read in my time out here. I’m happy that my company was the place to make it.
You just finished work on ‘Frozen’. What can you tell us about that film?
You were doing a lot more than I would!
[laughs]
Were the temperatures and the conditions the biggest challenges on the film?
The film has an excellent cast. What was the vibe like on the set?
They were great. That was my biggest thing in casting. There’s a lot of good actors who can deliver dramatic material. It was more…, which is sort of the way I always cast everything, feeling out who the people are. Kevin Zegers was already sort of a friend. He had been dating somebody years ago who was a friend of mine. We had gone out a few times, so I knew him. He was actually the first one to suggest Shawn Ashmore, who I had never actually read for anything before. The two of them had been best friends since they were little kids. So right there their comradery was just evident, and perfect, and pure, and real. So that worked. Emma Bell was the very first person to audition for the film. She was the very first person to walk through the door. She sat down, she read, and I looked at the producers and I said, “I’m good!” They were laughing. They said, “You can cast the first girl who walks in.” After four weeks of casting that’s who we went with, which is a great story. That never happens, ever! You never cast the first person because it can’t be the first person to walk in the door, but it was. They were troopers and they hung in there. I think the thing that helped them was that they understood that as bad as they had it, the crew had it a lot worse. The crew was out there twice as long as they were out there. When all is said and done the crew gets two seconds with their name in little fine white print in a scroll that nobody looks at, where as they get all the glory for it. I think as professionals they really appreciated what the crew went through and they never complained, not once. They couldn’t go to the bathroom. They couldn’t eat. They couldn’t drink. hey couldn’t do anything when they were shooting up in that chair. My deal with them was that if they couldn’t eat or drink or go to the bathroom, I wouldn’t. I would always stand where they could see me. When catering would come around with hot soup for everybody, and coffee, and things, I wouldn’t take it. I would stand there and suffer with them. I think that they respected that as well.
Do you have any other film projects that we should be on the look out for?
Jesus. I don’t know if it would be possible to have anymore! [laughs] No, I think that’s it for right now. I’ve got ‘Frozen’ coming out and ‘Hatchet 2’ starts shooting in a couple of weeks. I don’t know what I’m doing yet after that. I’m circling a couple of things that are like studio sized movies that I am considering. I’ve got a couple of things in the pipeline, but nothing worth really mentioning yet. Anything can still happen. I would assume by the time ‘Hatchet 2’ is out I’ll definitely know for sure what my next thing is going to be.
What do you consider the defining moment of your career so far?
I definitely would have crapped my pants too! I can tell you that!
Yeah! It was crazy! [laughs]
What is the biggest misconception about yourself?
You look at the movies, you look at ‘Hatchet’ and it’s violence. You look at ‘Grace’ and how fucked up it is. I’m just not that guy in real life. I love the stuff. I collect the toys and the whole thing. I live and breathe horror, but I’m a huge softy. I cry at ‘My Dog Skip’, I love ‘E.T.’ I first started my career writing romantic comedy type stuff. I do have something in the pipeline that Chris Columbus is producing. It’s called ‘God Only Knows’. God only knows when it’s going to actually fucking shoot. It’s been in development for years at this point. I think that’s really going to surprise people because nobody thinks of me as that guy. I’m really more of a goofball and a comedian, which I’ve kind of shown in the short films that I’m always doing just for fun. That’s another thing that I think is very important as a filmmaker. You can’t just worry about the big features because if you do that you can become jaded fast. Its so hard to do those and it’s such a different thing. When you get to just go do a short film in one day with your friends and it doesn’t matter really if it’s any good, you just want to do it, it’s a great feeling. The following that the shorts have online is just ridiculous. I think that’s also kept me in touch with the fans. They don’t have to wait so long to hear from me. There’s always something new out there.
What is the best piece of advice that someone has given you along the way in your career?
Let’s see…there’s probably three things. The first one was from my Steadicam operator whose name is BJ McDonnell. On the set of ‘Hatchet’ I wasn’t feeling well and he said, “Once it’s past 2:00 am and craft service comes around, never drink the coffee, always drink the tea.” I never forgot that and I always pass it on to other people, it really does make a difference. It’s weird. Another one is from my friend Dee Snider from Twisted Sister whose big motto was always, “Never let the bastards wear you down.” As much as that might sound like a cliche thing, in this industry even if you’re someone who’s having success and you’re getting movies made, that’s one time that you’re hearing good news the whole year. The rest of the time everyone’s telling you no, they’re saying it’s not going to happen, or they’re lying to you and you think it’s going to happen and then it falls apart. You have critics. You get stalkers online that stalk message boards to say awful things about you and your family. Some guy was wishing I would get cancer or something. I was like, “Jesus Christ! Did I fuck your sister or something?!” It’s a very good motto. Never let the bastards wear you down. The other good advice is…I’m not sure…I think John Landis might have said it to me. He said, “Just keep shooting.” That’s what I do with the short films and stuff, I don’t just wait for the next feature. A lot of my associates in the genre who are directors who make very good movies. Right now it’s the worse time to try to make an original movie because the fans only like remakes and the economy is in the shitter. Nobody has money to spend. Everybody’s assets are frozen, it’s really hard to get a movie going. Some of these guys are looking at half a decade now without shooting anything. Nothing can stop you from remembering what it’s like when you were growing up and grabbing a DV camera and going and making something. Even though ‘Hatchet 2’ is my fifth feature film in four years, I’ve also made thirty-something short films in that time as well. It’s helped keep me relevant, it’s helped keep my name out there. It’s been fun. I think that was really good advice.
That being said, do you have an advice for anyone who would like to get involved in the entertainment industry?
Do you have any last words for fans or critics?
Just thank you, I guess. I feel like I’ve had a pretty charmed couple of years so far. People have been very supportive and rallied behind me and supported the work. Even critics, so far I love them. They’ve been nothing but fair, the good and the bad. I’m a pretty happy person. [laughs]
Thanks for your time, Adam!
I really appreciate you covering my stuff. It’s people like you that are getting the word out, so thank you.
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Check out Adam Green’s official site at www.ariescope.com and follow him on Twitter at @AdamFnGreen
I agree with most of this, but Adam mentions Sam Raimi’s original film Drag Me to Hell but it is not original. It is a remake of Night of The Demon (1957) and as far as a horror movie, this film and its tame PG-13 rating was Raimi pandering to an audience and not being the original filmmaker he once was. Lets be honest, Raimi gained his horror fame from the Evil Dead films but its rare you ever find anyone that is under 13 that has ever even heard of Evil Dead, so why not take the risk and go for the R – Rating, what the fans deserved?
Your a faggot. oh, and your movies suck ballsack
Harsh words from an anonymous poster.
is there going to be a FROZEN 2?.